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72 hours for submitting have past. I'm now going to reveal the target
provider. The target provider for the fourth RV challenge was ...
(drumroll) ... Kay. Kay, thanks for
providing this surprising target. Thank you also for the wonderful
website you created, with photos, maps, and even a long detailed
sender's report. Now, please show us the results!
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 09:59 a.m. |
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last updated at Aug 09, 2004 10:06 a.m. (1 times) Yes, I had the honour of being sender this month! Quite an experience.  Harry
was hovering in the background, as the benign angel he is, for any
feedback I needed, and I would also like to thank Ed for taking some
time, prior to the Challenge, and engaging with me around the
significance and identification of structural level hits. I can only
hope to have done him – and of course all of the participants! –some
justice in my categorisation of hits. The
ones that stand out this time around are Bjo and Goshengolly, both
remote viewings; and for structural level hits I would commend Hanny
(viewing), Curt (dream) and Sao (viewing and dream). Curt’s submission
I think illustrates neatly how the dreaming mind appears to tend to
focus on wherever its interest lies, in this case with the
archaeological/geological aspects of the location, rather than the
target itself! I
have been asked to select the outstanding submission, so I have decided
to name Bjo, closely followed by Gosh. Bjo had hits in all four
categories, and her submission contained several keywords related to
the target’s maritime theme; Gosh submitted many accurate observations
with reference to the actual target. Congratulations to Bjo! In
evaluating submissions I have been actively looking for hits, and if
anything ‘erring’ on the side of generosity – in some instances the
viewer/dreamer will have to decide for them selves how good a hit
theirs was. I have wanted to avoid commending ‘false’ hits, but have
taken into account that, in particular, those new to the game (and I,
too, rather fit into that category!) are still learning about
submitting enough detail. I did make
use of the Psi Dream Key Questionnaire, filled it out while on site
(before the sending), and used it for reference later. However, when it
came to presenting the target in the context of the challenge I felt
that the photographic ‘guided tour’ and the ‘sender’s report’,
combined, were better suited to the task of illustrating the target in
the online format, and so I am not including the PDKQ in the actual
presentation. The link below
will take you to the web pages I created, there are four of them: a
photographic ‘guided tour’ of the Target; some Maps; a Sender’s Report;
and the Submissions page. link didn't work, use link/url in next post For
logistical reasons (creating web pages at work but unable to upload
from there, so taking copied files and uploading from home) I had to
make a cut-off point a few hours prior to the deadline, as to what I
managed to put onto the website. So, last minute submissions made after
3.15 pm BST will not be on the web pages. I won’t be checking the hotmail account again, but will send all participants my email address. And
finally I just want to share my own little precognitive hit around the
weekend just gone. The original date for the Challenge had been agreed
for Sunday 8 August, since sometime early June. From around the time I
had taken the photographs, almost exactly four weeks before the event,
I kept seeing myself doing the sending in pouring rain. Then I learned
about the Regatta and Carnival, and we agreed to move the Challenge to
the Friday instead. Friday was sunny and bright, not unlike the day I
took the photos, but Sunday turned out really wet… And you might argue
that it’s no big thing to predict it’s going to rain in England… but
all that even the meteorologists can say is that is going to rain… not when! Kay
In your dreams, Psinderella, in your dreams.
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:03 a.m. |
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:04 a.m. |
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| A couple of last minute, but within the time frame, emails: Terry adds: “the
very vivid blue bird looked most like a peacock only it did not have a
tail and it was on the floor of a feeding area or kitchen.” Hannah:
Hi, I'm
not feeling confident about my submission but I thought I would send it
anyway... I was working during the sending time and didn't have time to
focus until after the fact. I did not get any sense of location or any
visual images, but a few words came to mind so I wrote them down ...
the words ship, either Darwin or drown, thermostat, and foundation.
That's it! Thanks! Hannah Maxwell Good for you, Hannah, that you decided to submit! General
location: ‘Darwin’ as a word is similar to Dorset, which is the county
of the target location, and also to Devon (target lies very close to
the Devon border) so a possible hit. Specific location: ‘foundation’ could apply to the structure of The Cobb. Associated
themes: ‘Ship’ is a hit in the themes category; ‘drown’ would (sadly)
qualify there too; Darwin… possible connotation to the fossil findings
of the Jurassic coast, I seem to recall seeing something on TV that the
fossil findings shifted things quite radically in the then scientific
world. Other psi hits: -- So, won’t shift the top five, but worth submitting! the mailbox is now closed. Kay
In your dreams, Psinderella, in your dreams.
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:08 a.m. |
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| Hannah, I forgot to welcome you the previous time. I'm glad you joined again. It seems to me that you did very well. Everyone,
thanks for participating these first four challenges. The challenge
will skip September and October, to make room for the Psiber Dreaming
Conference. Depending on other plans, the challenge will probably
return in November or December. Hannah
or anyone else, let me know if you want me to add your address to my
announcements mailing list for the RV challenge. I'll do a mailing as
soon as plans for the next challenge have been made.
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:28 a.m. |
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| Kay. Thank you for what must have been an enormous effort, that's a great site. I
scored a big nothing in this one, but it's the first time I tried awake
RV, I usually only send dreams. With the two month rest period that now
follows I want to try and improve my RV skills, and maybe next time do
better. To the others who participated, I'm pretty much impressed
with the responses. See you all later, I can't wait to read your
responses. Leon |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:44 a.m. |
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| What is a ‘Cobb’? I
haven't come across 'Cobb' in similar structures, it's usually pier,
breakwaters etc, so my guess is that it's an old term or word that has
become a name, for this specific location. The
Oxford dictionary says about 'cob' (skipping meanings to do with male
swan and short legged horse): composition of clay, gravel and straw,
used for building walls (17th cent., orig. unknown) A cobble(stone) is a round, water-worn stone - you find many of these on the beaches in the area - used for paving. Parapet
was also used on the tablet (pier and parapet), and Oxford says: low
wall at edge of balcony, roof, etc, or along sides of bridge. The
inside of the Cobb is tiered, and in low tide one can see some kind of
platform on the outside, at the base/water level. The
military use of the word parapet is: defence of earth or stone to
conceal and protect troops, esp mound in front of a trench. The Cobb is
hardly a low wall, but it does of course serve as a defence (against
the battering of the sea.) Kay
In your dreams, Psinderella, in your dreams.
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 10:54 a.m. |
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| Hi
Leon, clearly your submissions say dog. If it's any consolation: that
weird restaurant in my dream could have served dog soup. Any idea why you thought of a dog for your awake RV? Harry
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 11:48 a.m. |
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last updated at Aug 09, 2004 12:40 p.m. (2 times) Nice
work all around! You did an excellent job Kay. I apologize again for my
submission being the prototypical RV accountant's nightmare.  I have a lot more to say but not much time at the present. I
do have to mention that I was bitten by a small tiny gray
(terrier-like) dog a few days before the challenge, and got a nasty but
not too serious little wound on the leg. The little sucker, usually
friendly, pierced a nerve just right apparently and it hurt, and still
does, surprisingly way more than it seemed it 'should.' As a result,
I've been angrily visualizing the little mutt (a friend's) a lot the
last week. Also couldn't help notice Rory's submission almost sounds like an excerpt of my own. Certainly
makes one wonder even if it is a bit beside the point. Sometimes in
these challenges I almost have the feeling that my dreams/submissions
may be drawn from or influenced by the collective of participants, a kind of 'gestalt result,' as much as from the isolated target/sender(s)... we are after all, in a way all co-creators of the virtual event... |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 12:39 p.m. |
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Harry Bosma (Aug 09, 2004 10:28 a.m.): Hannah
or anyone else, let me know if you want me to add your address to my
announcements mailing list for the RV challenge. I'll do a mailing as
soon as plans for the next challenge have been made.
Thanks so much Kay, I am glad I wasn't too late. Harry, YES, I would love to receive e-mail reminders. I will be sure to send you my address. Interesting
that so many people are reporting issues with dogs. A poisonous snake
bit my oldest dog on the leg the day before the challenge. (I don't
know what kind, it would either be a copperhead or rattlesnake based on
what is in my area). We found out the day of the challenge that, in
fact, it was a snake bite. She is doing well, almost completely back to
normal.  I've also wondered, Sao, how much we participants pick up from each other. 
Hannah |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 01:31 p.m. |
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Hallo everyone, It
was my first time in and I really enjoyed it.The funny thing is that
due to the image of my "altar" (which was so vivid) I was expecting Kay
to be in a church or a cathedral. So it was fun to do and my
compliments to Kay for the beautiful site and photo's. By the way Kay
is that short for Catherine? from Hanny Lynch - Holland |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 02:25 p.m. |
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| Dear Kay: Thank
you for developing an outstanding website, for the results of this
contest! Can you package it up for us, to use with the next contests? I
love more than anything to see what all of the "receivers" perceptions
are, from their efforts. It is a tremendous learning experience, and an
adventure! There is a great deal of "mutual dreaming" and "mutually
shared impressions" that come up every time, that lead me to believe
that "surely, we do not dream (or RV) alone! I
enjoyed this challenge because I forced myself to follow stricter RV
guidelines than I usually do. I forced myself to focus on seeing, and
depicting shapes and lines, hoping of course, for some complete
"vision," or "picture," of the site, but I knew that first and foremost
that I had to be disciplined in the method that Dale Graff teaches for
RV viewings. I held little hope of success, but was ultimately pleased
that I practiced a little more self-discipline this time around,
because in terms of "shapes" I think I did pretty well. But I also
learned that my impressions, on the naming level, clinched it for me.
Describing the "cobblestone" wall, the lion, the sun, the Military
Sargent's emblem, the colliseum type structure, the colors of brown and
sand, all of which were "impressions," proved to be valid. So
it seems that "seeing" and "knowing," are two distinct sets of
impressions, and both work together somehow, in forming a complete
"vision," or "picture" of what we are attempting to remote view. Well, a little food for thought. Congratulations
everyone! We all picked up on some aspect of Kay's location. It is just
awe inspiring to me, each time we do this! And thank you Kay, for your tremendous effort! XO, Goshengolly |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 04:21 p.m. |
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Wow.
What fun this all is. Kay, I again learn the lesson of not letting
anything be left out. I had the "feeling" the maps were in a museum. So
maybe they are in that museum you mentioned near the target. I am
continuallt amazed at this work. Thanks for your hard work on this
project. Bjo |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 04:52 p.m. |
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DreamBjo (Aug 09, 2004 04:52 p.m.): Wow.
What fun this all is. Kay, I again learn the lesson of not letting
anything be left out. I had the "feeling" the maps were in a museum. So
maybe they are in that museum you mentioned near the target. I am
continuallt amazed at this work. Thanks for your hard work on this
project. Bjo
Dear Bjo: Congratulations
to you! I love being in the top Winner's Circle with you!... You, a
great "envisioner" of the deep, yet light-filled places of space!
Because you offer the best glimpse of clear seeing on this bulletin
board! I hope you "know" that. You can teach us here, in a way that
others may not be able to do! Here is
my question: How would you best describe the way you synthesized
"seeing" and "knowing" as you did in your waking RV? What approach did
you take, to "view?" I think that you
have some wisdom to offer us, Dear Bjo. At the same time, I think that
the answers to some questions should always remain somewhat "guarded."
Perhaps you could hold off on answering my question, until
Psiberdreaming III? I think that this is the best "venue" for the
answer to my question. See you then, at Psiberdreaming III, my Dear "dreaming" friend.... XXXOOO Goshengolly |
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Kay (Aug 09, 2004 10:04 a.m.): And that link didn't work for some reason - here is the url:http://www.psizygy.com/rv4/rvtarget4.htm[/quote] Kay -
What an interesting exercise this has turned out to be! I agree with
you that I got the lay of the land and the proper orientation of the
slope, but got taken away with similarities to a place I knew. If
people look very very carefully at my first picture, the figure on the
far right is what I looked like -- 30 years ago!!! I really enjoyed reading everyone else's submissions! Curt
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| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 06:11 p.m. |
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| Hey Sao, I think I should send you a drawing of an underground where an artist kept his school in a dream. |
| Date: Aug 09, 2004 on 07:08 p.m. |
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Ah Kay - you've created a great site - and a great reading of the RVs. Congratualtions Bjo, in particular - and Gosh - I was most impressed with the shape of your lines. Well
Kay I think you were MORE than generous to find a nautical reference
for "poppetlog" - I'm touched that you would have searched for
it!!!Now- not because I'm biased, of course not, but, is it possible to
be just as distorted in words as in structural elements? e.g. when I
read "parapet" my heart beat fast - of course nothing else in the
entire RV resonated with me!!! I'm wandering if "popetlog" is a
distortion of parapet. From the feeling tone of it, I'd have to say
"yes" - but only I could tell that, and only after-the-event. So a very
weak psi message at all - I'm still trying to work out how my mind
thinks when it is RVing - its definitely devious!!!!! (or perhaps just
wrong!!). Kathy |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 12:24 a.m. |
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Hi
Harry, please put me on your announcements mailing list too - I'm very
likely to forget to participate otherwise...;-) I'll see If I can get
some dreamer friends to join in, too. PS thanks for welcoming me on
the Dutch VSD Board - i only read it a few days ago, I've been so busy
I hadn't checked out the board for months...I'm going to better myself,
though!;-) Groetjes, Wendy Harry Bosma (Aug 09, 2004 10:28 a.m.): Hannah, I forgot to welcome you the previous time. I'm glad you joined again. It seems to me that you did very well.Everyone,
thanks for participating these first four challenges. The challenge
will skip September and October, to make room for the Psiber Dreaming
Conference. Depending on other plans, the challenge will probably
return in November or December. Hannah
or anyone else, let me know if you want me to add your address to my
announcements mailing list for the RV challenge. I'll do a mailing as
soon as plans for the next challenge have been made.
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| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 12:31 a.m. |
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Hello Kay Nice photos of Lyme Rregis! ------I
haven't come across 'Cobb' in similar structures, it's usually pier,
breakwaters etc, so my guess is that it's an old term or word that has
become a name, for this specific location.------ Cobb is an archaic
word for a seagull, especially a large black-backed one. My guess is
that “cobb” was used with another word to denote harbour, (possibly
seagulls rest, nest, or place) but the second word got lost with usage. Regarding
cobbles: the bottom of the cliffs between Lyme Regis and Charmouth used
to be strewn with cobbles, small and large, and there were usually
fossil hunters on the beach with hammers, braking the rounded cobbles
for the fossils they contained. From what I remember from the early
seventy’s the beach and the rocks are particularly dismal and dark on a
rainy day especially at dusk. On one lovely summer evening a storm
blew up very suddenly and we watched a dramatic rescue on the east side
of the harbour. A sailor missed the entrance to the harbour and was
saved by the lifeboat seconds before his boat would have been smashed. I hope this will give a bit more insight into the remote viewing participants. Cheers Jajofar |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 01:07 a.m. |
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Jajofar (Aug 10, 2004 01:07 a.m.):Cobb
is an archaic word for a seagull, especially a large black-backed one.
My guess is that “cobb” was used with another word to denote harbour,
(possibly seagulls rest, nest, or place) but the second word got lost
with usage. Regarding cobbles: the bottom of the cliffs between Lyme
Regis and Charmouth used to be strewn with cobbles, small and large,
and there were usually fossil hunters on the beach with hammers,
braking the rounded cobbles for the fossils they contained. Cheers Jajofar
Jajo -
You mentioned the Charmouth. Usually that denotes the estuary of a
river by that name. Is there such? In which case there might be another
connection to the name of the site I saw, which is Charlestown
Meadows. The site was so named after residents who came there in the
mid-18th century from Charlestown, Massachusetts, which is a deep-water
port (currently home to a navy yard). This in turn was named after King
Charles I, under whose reign the city of Boston, on the Charles River,
was founded in 1629. Is any of the history of the conflict between
Cavaliers and Roundheads centered around the target location? Curt |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 03:56 a.m. |
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Jajofar (Aug 10, 2004 01:07 a.m.): Hello Kay Nice photos of Lyme Rregis! ------I
haven't come across 'Cobb' in similar structures, it's usually pier,
breakwaters etc, so my guess is that it's an old term or word that has
become a name, for this specific location.------ Cobb is an archaic
word for a seagull, especially a large black-backed one. My guess is
that “cobb” was used with another word to denote harbour, (possibly
seagulls rest, nest, or place) but the second word got lost with usage. Regarding
cobbles: the bottom of the cliffs between Lyme Regis and Charmouth used
to be strewn with cobbles, small and large, and there were usually
fossil hunters on the beach with hammers, braking the rounded cobbles
for the fossils they contained. From what I remember from the early
seventy’s the beach and the rocks are particularly dismal and dark on a
rainy day especially at dusk. On one lovely summer evening a storm
blew up very suddenly and we watched a dramatic rescue on the east side
of the harbour. A sailor missed the entrance to the harbour and was
saved by the lifeboat seconds before his boat would have been smashed. I hope this will give a bit more insight into the remote viewing participants. Cheers Jajofar
Kay & Jajo -
It just occurred to me to mention that the site which has the closest
correspondence (both in age and material culture) to the Charlestown
Meadows site is a south-facing site near Long Island Sound, located at
the mouth of the Connecticut River in Old Lyme, CT!
What is the origin of the term "Lyme"? I know that British sailors were
referred to as "limeys" because they brought lots of the fruit on their
voyages to prevent scurvy. But surely it has an older meaning? Curt |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 04:51 a.m. |
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| Hi Curt, I
had actually been looking at the name Charleston Meadows, wondering if
I could link it in some way, but at the time (despite having mentioned
Charmouth, and I'll try to find out what the river is called and come
back on that) my focus in looking for hits lay closer to the actual
target. Lyme Regis has a river (if you
can call it that!) called the Lym. I have always assumed that the name
of the town and the river name derive from the same source - but then
it might just be one of those things that one takes for granted because
one never thought about it! And in saying that I am no nearer to
offering any insight to what that source might be! (What is it about
typing stuff up while online that makes it come out garbled and
sounding as if I were a complete moron?! ) Old Lyme sounds interesting. Perhaps I need to trek down to Lyme Regis at some time when the museum is open, and I could look for old maps at the same time! And I should return to my work duties now... Shouldn't be here at all... Kay
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| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 06:42 a.m. |
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| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 07:00 a.m. |
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Curt (Aug 10, 2004 04:51 a.m.): Kay & Jajo -
It just occurred to me to mention that the site which has the closest
correspondence (both in age and material culture) to the Charlestown
Meadows site is a south-facing site near Long Island Sound, located at
the mouth of the Connecticut River in Old Lyme, CT! Curt
Curt: your connections are AMAZING. NOW
what is it about them? I ask because my mind works in just such a way
(but not as thoroughly!!! - but I do notice the same pattern) - it is
this method of working of my mind I'm trying to figure out!! Yours: is it possible that: 1. you "recognized" Lymme Regis in the RV 2.
you "saw" it in the same way as we see any "dream" image: i.e. in terms
of some possibilities related to you: archaelogy and the US. 3. your
"dreaming/rv" mind then weaves these images into a story - the original
"seeing" becoming just part of your life story (as most dreams do). IF something like that is the case then: 1. we need to learn either how to stop the dreaming mind, dreaming over them, OR 2. we need a method of "interpretation". BUT what IS the method of "interpretation"? It clearly works very well AFTER the event. BUT what to do BEFORE the event: If
we are dealing with some else's dream we say "If this were MY dream"
and proceed to read the images in terms of "my" knowledge and concerns.
In an RV, what would happen if we tried reading these dreams as "If
this were the RVers waking awareness" - i.e. we tried to separate OUT
my personal elements? I am VERY interested in trying to work out a
way of "interpreting" RVs as dream (perhaps even RVS) - because my hits
are NOT close in a literal sense - but are often quite related "at one
remove": e.g. "popetlog" When I heard "parapet" my heart beat
FAST - that (for my mind) was the connection. Why did I add "log" -
perhaps because the parapet at Lymme Regis (and parapets in general)
were initially built of logs??? Could I have got anything out of this
BEFORE: no, too little, too condensed. BUT your RV CURT: there is
MUCH more meat there! How could you have read it before to make a
better guess? What would you have needed to know to allow you to remove
the personal and make it more "other"? I'm going back to re-read everyone's RVs. I LOVE this hunt!! AND Kay I LOVE the Englishness of Lymme Regis. Kathy |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 02:13 p.m. |
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kathy turner (Aug 10, 2004 02:13 p.m.): BUT
your RV CURT: there is MUCH more meat there! How could you have read it
before to make a better guess? What would you have needed to know to
allow you to remove the personal and make it more "other"? I'm going back to re-read everyone's RVs. I LOVE this hunt!! AND Kay I LOVE the Englishness of Lymme Regis. Kathy
Kathy -
Good questions! Let's all remember that Rome was not built in a day. We
are only in the fourth month of our experiment (unless you want to
count Dale's PDC RV event last year), and already we are developing a
better sense of how to go about this. We are learning as we go! I am
impressed with how everyone's degree of focus has improved as the
months have gone by. We are building something extraordinary here! Curt |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 02:50 p.m. |
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EVERYONE: I'd love to know what if anything RESONNATED with you when you read Kay's descriptions/looked at the websites? I'm intrigued, you see, by what our own minds FEEL are the connections. Kathy |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 04:18 p.m. |
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think that with enough imagination we all can "feel" some recognition
of the place. Especially if we want to. I could say that if that bay
was drenched in rain and it was night, and people were able to walk
across the bay on the water, then yeah, it would match. I'm just not
sure that is a valid way of doing this sort of thing. But it certainly
is fun! |
| Date: Aug 10, 2004 on 11:43 p.m. |
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Hi Curt, -------
It just occurred to me to mention that the site which has the closest
correspondence (both in age and material culture) to the Charlestown
Meadows site is a south-facing site near Long Island Sound, located at
the mouth of the Connecticut River in Old Lyme, CT!----- Lyme in CT
was probably named so because the aspect resembled Lyme in England. The
river-mouths of these seaside places are sometimes no more than a
stream in summer, however with rain falling fairly regularly in England
these little streams create a gorge, and a beach, also room for a
harbour. There may be different names for them in other parts of the
country. Unfortunately, “the silver sea” did not keep out the invaders:
Celts, Romans, Saxsons, Angles, Vikings, and Hungarians , and they all left their place names, and words whose meanings were lost in the mists of times. -------What
is the origin of the term "Lyme"? I know that British sailors were
referred to as "limeys" because they brought lots of the fruit on their
voyages to prevent scurvy. But surely it has an older meaning?------- With
my limited knowledge of etymology, I would say “mud”. The places were
built on or near mud-flats, over-grown with grass – hence lyme grass.
Regis was added to the name of a place after some king or queen visited
it, and tried to drown himself or herself in the sea there! BTW, Lyme desease, which is caused by ticks is named after Lyme in CT where it was first observed. Cheers Jajofar |
| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 12:52 a.m. |
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last updated at Aug 11, 2004 09:18 a.m. (2 times) Hi Kay -I
just wanted to congratulate you on the superb job you did on this RV
challenge, not only in choosing a distinctive target, in the
painstaking and thorough way in which you presented the target site to
participants, but in the effort you put into judging the entries and
looking for hits and correlations. You definitely went the extra mile
and it shows - which seems all the more impressive as you've never done
this before. As you've seen though,
judging can prove especially difficult, as the dream reports (or RV
reports) often neglect to properly describe just what the participant
experienced in a way that allows an outside party to find, or to judge,
the quality of a hit. Participants name objects - presumably circular
or semicircular - but neglect to describe their shape, or their color
or texture. Of course, participants
can learn to improve the "judgability" of their submissions by learning
how, and taking the time , to better describe what they experience in
their reports. To do this they need to learn new descriptive skills,
and then to mindfully use these skills (as Bjo and Gosh did for
example) when writing out and submitting their entries. However, even
the best written dream report will retain plenty of ambiguities, and
accompanying sketches or illustrations can really help the judging
process far more effective and reliable (Sao did an amazing job!). But
as we've seen, especially with Curt's entry, although 20/20 hindsight
can bring to light some really amazing hits or correlation's, that
20/20 foresight seems far more difficult. When we write down our
dreams, or our RV reports, we decide what to include and what not to
include. This process often seems pretty unreliable - so unreliable
that the percipient throws out "the psi-baby with the bath water", or
instead, writes up a report on the "bath water" after throwing out the
"psi-baby". What can one do? Well to
begin, it seems important to at first do ones best to submit formal,
comprehensive dream reports. This in itself requires both training - in
descriptive reporting - and mindfulness. Later one can use 20/20
hindsight to separate the wheat from the chaff. As the percipients grow
in experience, they may find certain cues or qualities that mark
psi-content (as Robert Waggoner has done for his precognitive dreams).
At this point I'd still recommend that percipients submit comprehensive
reports, but that they highlight what they consider the wheat - by
using boldface or italics on those sections of the reports, or on those
sections of their diagrams. They might also want to include an analysis
of what they consider psi-content after the report - this will allow
them to get feedback as to the accuracy of there abilities to separate
psi-information out before seeing the target. And good feedback
facilitates learning! Ed |
| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 08:29 a.m. |
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| Hannah, Wendy, I've added you to the mailinglist. Wendy,
the one at wanadoo is your current address, right? Thanks for trying to
find more Dutch dreamers next time. I'd love to see more people from
other countries, and my own country seems a good start.  Harry
ASD member page.
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| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 11:34 a.m. |
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Ed K (Aug 11, 2004 09:18 a.m.):What
can one do? Well to begin, it seems important to at first do ones best
to submit formal, comprehensive dream reports. This in itself requires
both training - in descriptive reporting - and mindfulness. Later one
can use 20/20 hindsight to separate the wheat from the chaff. As the
percipients grow in experience, they may find certain cues or qualities
that mark psi-content (as Robert Waggoner has done for his precognitive
dreams). At this point I'd still recommend that percipients submit
comprehensive reports, but that they highlight what they consider the
wheat - by using boldface or italics on those sections of the reports,
or on those sections of their diagrams. They might also want to include
an analysis of what they consider psi-content after the report - this
will allow them to get feedback as to the accuracy of there abilities
to separate psi-information out before seeing the target. And good
feedback facilitates learning! Ed
Ed - This is a really creative suggestion! Maybe you could suggest this as one of the parameters for the PDC RV activities? If I were to have done the highlighting with my dream (before
knowing anything in waking reality about the target), I probably would
have highlighted the slope, the south-facing aspect, and the snow
cover. Two of these, at least, turned out to be among the aspects that
seemed to relate to the target. I probably would have eliminated
anything having to do with sneaking onto the site, or archaeology, or
the spectral visitation -- these didn't have the feel of being as
important as the location itself. The name of the site, while it may
have turned out to be significant in retrospect, was actually not
mentioned in the dream; I added it to my account by way of explanation.
Lillian's ghost simply told me to go to her site and look for more
artifacts! BTW, doesn't the term "artifact" mean a statistical or methodological error in psychological research? Cheers, Curt |
| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 12:24 p.m. |
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this point I'd still recommend that percipients submit comprehensive
reports, but that they highlight what they consider the wheat - by
using boldface or italics on those sections of the reports, or on those
sections of their diagrams. They might also want to include an analysis
of what they consider psi-content after the report - this will allow
them to get feedback as to the accuracy of there abilities to separate
psi-information out before seeing the target. And good feedback
facilitates learning! Ed[/quote] GREAT Ed. This
shift from trying to see if there is Psi perception, to saying "YES
there is and now let me try to work out how to pin point it" is very
significant - quite amazing really!! Kathy |
| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 01:28 p.m. |
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rannva (Aug 10, 2004 11:43 p.m.): I
think that with enough imagination we all can "feel" some recognition
of the place. Especially if we want to. I'm just not sure that is a
valid way of doing this sort of thing. But it certainly is fun!
Rannva
- the "feeling" I have sometimes is of quite a different order - it
HITS me - it is like my mind and the word/image are two magnets so
attracted to each other that they slam together - there is no
separating them. There is a LARGE connection. How else can I express
it? Just occassionally you meet someone, and all your body and mind
starts buzzing - there's a connection that is ALIVE. It's like that. And
to look at it from another angle: when images/words don't have that
connection, they seem "dull" - they are just there, I read them, there
is an interest but nothing more. These words/images are like bringing
two books together - no attraction between the books, they can be
easily separated. I'm asking this Rannva, because, it is a
distinctive experience I have occassionally. So, in the interests of
trying to learn how my psi works (and trying to learn how to see it
BEFORE the description rather than after ) I'm wandering does anyone else have such a feeling sometimes? And YES, it is fun!!! Kathy |
| Date: Aug 11, 2004 on 01:39 p.m. |
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| Hi Kathy - As
I've pointed out elsewhere, I settled to my own satisfaction some time
ago that dream as well as waking psi exists, and no longer have much
interest personally in experiments simply designed to look for the
presence, or absence of psi. My
interest focuses more on how psi functions, how people can learn to
understand psi, to develop psi skills, and to use psi more effectively.
At the PDC contests, participants
submit dreams before getting any information about the target. The
"highlighting" idea does not seem new - I've done it myself for years
at ASD Dream Telepathy contests as well as PDC events, and have
encouraged other PDC contest participants to intentionally do so as
well. A few have - but not many. To
some extent people do so almost unintentionally - for example, although
they may remember a number of dreams, they will only report on one, or
they may submit all three but point out that they have the most
confidence in the second. Of course many more people will tell you
about this after the fact, but lack the confidence to do when actually
submitting their dreams. However, I
believe that we learn by doing, and that it seems worthwhile to note
which dreams, or which parts of dreams, one feels have tuned into the
target through psi before the fact. And if one makes a mistake in
identifying psi components - so what? A little public embarrassment
perhaps, but remember, we often learn the most from our mistakes! And
if you don't want to hazard the chance of publicly ending up with "egg
on your face" from misidentifications, nothing prevents you from
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